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« on: April 06, 2008, 12:24:46 PM »

DUNGEON TWISTER


I have the kind of day schedule that allows me to spend copious amounts of time helling through the internet at unsafe speeds. I won’t usually censor myself for the sake of others outside of not playing the role of digital ne’er do well, leering through a smoke filled room at some chippie trying to send herself through school. This gives me quite a bit of leeway, and so I use it… to look up board games. One day, while cruising through Board Game Geek, I stumbled upon something called “Dungeon Twister.”


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What the hell is a Dungeon Twister? It sounds like you’ll need a spinner and some elf ears, but the box isn’t even remotely big enough for that. The only other kind of twister I can think of, other than the kind that tear-ass across Kansas from time to time, is of the Texas titty variety. I can’t imagine a boxed game coming with instructions on what to do to a man’s useless mammaries while my friends have him held down on the floor. Besides, I have people that do that for me. So, what is it? I had to know, so I ordered it. As it turns out, it’s one of the more inventive board games to come around in quite some time.

There are plenty of new ideas in the world of board gaming. In fact, it’s hard to find a game that isn’t doing at least SOMETHING that’s out of the ordinary. What’s interesting, however, is when you find a game that manages to cobble together a concept that’s completely bizarre and yet is still playable. That’s exactly what Dungeon Twister does. It takes a pretty odd concept and makes it work. I guess that’s most easily demonstrated by a quick look at the rules and how an average game goes.

First of all, the players set up the board as illustrated by my lovely, under exposed picture to the side over there. The game board sections are shuffled up and placed in the illustrated fashion. Each player then takes his team icons and, behind the screen, places them face down on either side of the starting board. Each side has a number of tokens that represent characters and items, once the player chooses his starting team, the rest of the tokens are placed upon the board face down. Once the starting team for each player is revealed, the game begins.


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The basic idea behind Dungeon Twister is that both players have a set amount of cards that have Action Point amounts that range from two to five printed on them. Each player uses all of his Action Point cards and then they start over. In fact, all the cards in Dungeon Twister recycle with the exception of a few attack and jump cards. Each player plays his Action Point card and then uses those points to either move his characters, attack another player, reveal a section of the dungeon or turn a piece of the board. That last bit will take a little explaining.

You see, each tile in the dungeon has a gear on it, and on that gear is a number and an arrow. If you move your character to that section of the board and spend an Action Point, you can rotate the board piece a quarter turn. Now, somewhere in the dungeon is another piece that corresponds to the number on that gear. You can also move this piece by a quarter turn in the direction indicated by the arrow on that section. This is what makes Dungeon Twister interesting. You can manipulate far off sides of the dungeon to try and stop your opponent from scoring by moving his pieces off the opposite side of the board. Of course, he can do the same to you.


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There are no dice and absolutely no luck involved, this game relies entirely on strategy. I’ve heard to Dungeon Twister referred to as a “crazy” version of chess, but that’s a little too narrow of a view for it. Sure, each of the pieces has a special ability and movement capability, but that’s where the similarities end. It’s hard to define or categorize. The only randomization I can think of in this game is the placement of the dungeon tiles, and there are only eight of those.

Dungeon Twister is a game of skill in a world dominated by chance. For that reason alone, it stands out as a game that should be tried. Beyond that, however, is the fact that it’s a well designed game with a low entry cost for two to four players (with the expansion). I know I’ve spoken to a few people that have trouble finding people to play games with, so here’s your chance as it only requires one other person. Sally forth.

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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2008, 01:38:58 AM »

Dungeon Twister (Asmodee Editions, 2004 - Christophe Boelinger), while produced in 2004, didn't make it to America until 2005. Thus, I stand by my declaration that this is, so far, the best game I've played in 2005. While the name conjures up images of an ogre trying desperately to put their left foot on green, the game is much different. In fact, it's hard to describe to people without mentioning "chess" and "dungeon crawl", and the two are so different that it's hard to imagine them in the same game. In fact, the true meaning of Dungeon Twister just might be the fact that it manages to "twist" several genres into one game.


But, oh, what a game! The back story to the game involves an all-powerful wizard dropping random contestants into a dungeon with twisting floors, and forcing them to play games for his amusement (and their freedom). With very little luck (besides the semi-random setup) and an excellent combat system - Dungeon Twister retains the theme of your classic dungeon, while acting as a tremendously tactical two-player game. I love the options the game presents, and the idea of more expansions with even more selections really has me excited.

Each player takes eight character tokens, six treasure tokens, eight character stand up counters, four action cards, nine combat cards, and three "jump" cards. The eight rooms provided in the game, each a grid of twenty-five squares and filled with pit traps, wall, doors, and decorations, are placed in a two by four formation, randomly face down on the table. At the end of this two column row, each player places a row of ten squares with four spots designated for their "starting team". Each player secretly places four of their characters on these spots face-down, and then, in turn order, places the other four characters and six treasure items face-down on the eight rooms (some restrictions apply). The four character tokens on the starting lines are revealed, and players replace them with the cardboard standup figures. One player is chosen to go first, and the game is ready to begin.

On a player's turn, they must first play one of their action cards face up on the table, showing how many actions they have this turn. Once the action card is played, it stays on the table until a player has used all four of the action cards, in which case they are all returned to his hand. (Action cards give 2, 3, 4, or 5 actions). The player then proceeds to take those actions. The actions available to a player are:
- Reveal a new room: If a player's revealed character is next to an unrevealed room, the player may flip the room over, as well as the tokens on that room. The player decides where all tokens go, except for items in their color, which the other player places in empty spots in that room.
- Move: Each character has two numbers, an attack and a move number. Characters can move spaces equal to their move number but can't move through walls, doors, enemy characters, or pit traps. If moving over an object or wounded character, the player can pick it up and continue moving.
- Rotate a room: If a character is on the central gears to a room, they can rotate the room 90 degrees in the direction indicated on the tile for one action each. Alternatively, a player can rotate the room that is the same color as the room they are standing in - there are four pairs of two rooms each.
- Attack: If a character is adjacent to another character, they may attack them. Both players play one attack card face down then reveal them simultaneously. The number on the attack card (0 - 6) is added to the character's attack value. The character with the lower value loses and is "wounded" - their character is incapacitated, cannot move, and must simply stay in their spot - with the only thing they can do is defend against future attacks. A wounded character may not be attacked on the same turn they are wounded; if wounded again, they are killed and removed from the board. Either way, both attack cards are discarded from the game, except for the "0" card, which is always returned to a player's hand.


Players can use the items in the game to their advantage and may also "jump" over pit traps by discarding one of the "jump" cards. Gameplay continues until one player gets five points. A point is scored by either getting a character to the other side of the board, the character is removed, they have "escaped!", or killing an opponent's character.

Some comments on the game…

1.) Characters: Here are the eight characters in the game, and my take on each of them.
- Goblin: He's the weakest character, having no special abilities. His true usefulness is the fact that if he "escapes", he's worth two victory points. A lot of my strategies revolve around getting the goblin to escape - it's a real boost towards winning the game.
- Warrior: A very useful fighter, the second strongest in the game - he can also break doors down for one action, allowing access through them. His best usefulness comes from fighting the enemy, and I usually use him as a roving attacker, protecting the weaker folk, like the Goblin and Wall-Walker.
- Thief: The thief is the fastest character in the game, can unlock and open doors, and move over pit traps. Perhaps the best character - it's dangerous to run her off the board too quickly, as she can help get some of the other characters off. She's a natural for the speed potion.
- Wizard: The wizard can levitate, moving over pit traps and enemies, but his true usefulness comes when he gets the fireball wand. Then, the Wizard becomes a powerhouse - able to kill off an enemy (hopefully the Troll).
- Wall-Walker: As weak as the Goblin, she's still quite useful, as she can walk through walls for 1 action. She's easy to kill, but I've found that her ability can get her "escape" more often than not. She's also handy to deliver items to different users.
- Mekanork: I'm not sure about this guy. He's a decent fighter, but his special ability is that he can turn rooms in either direction. While this is useful, I haven't found that it has helped me win many battles. I'm sure that he's a terrific addition; I just don't use him much.
- Troll: The troll is a monster in combat and can regenerate from being wounded. This makes him exceedingly dangerous. The problem is that he's as slow as a snail and often only really useful as a defender against "escapes".
- Cleric: Perhaps the most valuable support character, the Cleric is the only character that can heal other wounded characters. He's very usefu and to lose him early is devastating.
I think that the characters are well-balanced, and it's hard to choose which one is my favorite, although I would lean towards the cleric and thief.

2.) Objects: The objects that can be picked up have various uses.
- Armor: Gives a player +1 when defending in combat.
- Sword: Gives a player +1 when attacking in combat.
- Rope: Allows a player to move over pit traps.
- Fireball: An essential thing for the wizard to have. With it he can fell the mighty Troll. And this is a lovely thing to see.
- Treasure: If a character escapes when carrying this, they score an extra victory point. My goal is to get the goblin to escape with the treasure (although you can be sure the enemy will be gunning for him!)
- Speed Potion: This is possibly the most powerful item. It costs one action to use but gives it's bearer four action points. This can be totally devastating; and when used at the right time, the player can do a lot of damage with one character, especially one who is fast, like the thief.


3.) Components: All of the components in the game consist of mostly cardboard tokens that are nicely illustrated and are of good quality. Of course, many people won't enjoy using the stand up counters in the game, which is why you can purchase miniatures from Asmodee for each character. Not only that, but three-dimensional rooms and wall packs will be sold, to give the entire 3D experience. Now as much as I would love this (and I was able to play using such a board at Origins), it's really too expensive for me, and I also stink at/hate painting miniatures. But for those who like the visual effect, this option is available. For me, I'm glad that everything fits easily inside the nice, thin, sturdy box. Besides, the board just looks very good, evocative of dungeons.

4.) Rules: The rulebook is fifteen pages full of detailed rules and examples, with a rules summary on the back. Although that may seem long, the game is very basic, and the only thing that may cause forgetfulness are the special abilities of the characters. However, two screens are included with the game, each detailing the special abilities of the characters and the objects. This is an easy game to learn, although hard to master, since there is a great deal of strategy involved.

5.) Abstract: The game could easily be compared to an abstract strategy game, since there is very little luck (the randomness of the starting setup), and the tactical options that are presented. Yet, because of the combat system, which is very similar to that found in Lord of the Rings: Confrontation, and the very differentiated characters and items, it just doesn't fit the mold of an abstract game.

6.) Dungeon crawl: At the same time, the game feels like a dungeon crawl, since it has all the trappings of a dungeon, with the different heroes and monsters found therein. There is combat and treasure seeking, but all of this is there for a game, not for an RPG-on-a-board. So the game isn't really a dungeon crawl either.


Figurines sold separately and comes unpainted

7.) Chaos: With bits of an abstract game and a dungeon crawl put together, I have seen people a little thrown off by what they have termed as "chaos". And yes, there is certainly a lot going on in the board at any given moment. But I don't mind this, because it feels like controlled chaos, where a player can decide to rotate rooms, or carry armor, etc. Since players can keep track of combat cards that are discarded, combat can be easily measured, and players know exactly what card they must play to win; and it then becomes a matter of bluffing.

8.) Slowness: In a tournament of Dungeon Twister, a two minute turn limit is imposed; and after playing with some slow players, I can see how that would be very useful. Since there are so many options given to a player, they have eight characters that can move in many directions, rotate rooms, fight, etc. that a player can get really bogged down in a room. And since a player can't take back a move when they rotate a room, they must visually study the board, to make sure that they really want to rotate, before they do it. All of this leads to that most dreaded of diseases, "analysis paralysis". But, as I said, a timer will clear that right up.

9.) Expansion: The designer told me that he had over a dozen expansions planned for the game - at least one of which is already out. Each expansion adds more rooms, more characters, and more objects. The expansions also allow the game to be played with more than two players (although I think it's perfectly fine with only two). If you're looking for a game that will provide endless opportunities, then Dungeon Twist is the way to go.

10.) Fun Factor: I think the reason that I enjoy Dungeon Twister so much is that it provides the strategic depth of a good solid game, while adding in the trappings of the fantasy setting. When you've won a game of Dungeon Twister, you can rest assured that it's because of your skill, and nothing else. I don't like perfect information games like Chess, because the better player will win a vast, vast majority of the time. But in Dungeon Twister, there are so many options and tactical moves a player can attempt, that I doubt anyone could ever become undefeated at the game.


A custom made 3D board made by Larry Mendel.  Image taken from BGG.

I don't think Dungeon Twister is for everyone - some may be turned off by the dungeon theme, others may not like the dizzying array of choices each turn. Still others may not like the odd merging of fantasy and strategy. But for me it was a tremendous pairing, a dungeon game that I could tout as having a lot of strategy; fun, but full of depth at the same time. I'm looking greatly forward to each expansion and can't wait to see how the new characters interact with the old; but even with just the base set, the game is one of the best gaming experiences I've had this year.

Tom Vasel
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 12:08:34 AM »


Dungeon Twister Boardgame Set

This kit will make a 3-d wall set to add to your existing Dungeon Twister game board. The kit includes 34 castings of the #88 Fieldstone Arch set in white hydrostone, glue and intructions. The game maps will need to be enlarged using a phot copier, but exact instructions are included with the kit for this process. Note the kit includes the wall set only, not the original game. 

You can buy it at castlekits.com for US$75.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 12:56:12 AM »

Christophe Boelinger’s Dungeon Twister has launched eight expansions to date – including Fire & Water, due out in English in Q3 2008 from Asmodée Editions – but the biggest expansion might be the one still to come: an electronic version from French development studio Hydravision Entertainment that will be available on the Xbox LIVE Arcade, PlayStation 3, and Nintendo DS.

Asmodée lists a release date of 2009 on its gossip page, while March 2008 SEC filings by Dutch/American game publisher Playlogic Entertainment lists a Q4 2008 release date.

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2008, 01:27:25 PM »

Here are some rules that I got wrong in my first few games of DT.  I've indicated it here to help anybody avoid mistakes when playing the game.  I'll add more if I realize any other mistakes.  My apologies to the previous players that I've had the chance to play with.

TRICKY RULES FOR DUNGEON TWISTER

[#1] WIZARD

- The Levitation Special Ability allows the WIZARD to fly/move over "Pit Traps" and enemy characters (alive or wounded) during his movement without spending any Action Points (AP).  But he cannot stop/step on an enemy character (alive or wounded) or on a "Pit Trap".

[#2] VICTORY POINTS

You can customize the number of Victory Points to gain in order to win in the game but Official rules states that:

- 5 or more Victory Points should be accumulated by a player to win in a 2 player game.

- 6 or more Victory Points should be accumulated by a player to win in a 3/4 player game.

[#3] OBJECTS / ITEMS

- Any player can pickup and use any free object tokens even those of his opponents.

- You can place object tokens in your very own "Starting Line" to prevent any opponent's characters from picking up and using the said object(s) as opponent's characters automatically teleport out of the dungeon when they step in your "Starting Line".
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 03:20:43 PM »

FIRE & WATER (DT Expansion)


This expansion for Dungeon Twister is placed under the sign of the elements. With new and extremely dangerous rooms and characters. All of which are very subtle and incredibly difficult to trap. This "Special Edition" Expansion will contain many surprises unlike its French counterpart. Fire & Water will be available this Summer.

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2010, 07:45:31 AM »

Anyone playing this game or who has a copy of it?
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2010, 11:32:57 AM »

I have my own copy, but I have a pretty tight schedule when it comes to gaming. Roll Eyes  I think benjie had a copy up in the last math trade though.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 12:02:01 PM »

Thanks Gaebril! Confirmed it was up for the last math trade. Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 12:38:25 AM »

Played this game last night with my friends and we enjoyed it. Message me if anyone of you wants to play this game. Cheers!
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 08:11:12 PM »

Ooh wanna try too. Dex who has a copy?

Is this the original one or DT2? aka Prison.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 09:38:54 PM »

Sure2x. I have a copy. This is the original one. Maybe next year want to buy Prison as well.  Smiley

p.s. thanks Benjie!
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2011, 12:59:46 PM »

Is anyone selling their Dungeon Twister base set?
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2011, 03:54:43 PM »

Is anyone selling their Dungeon Twister base set?

You have a copy already. Why the need of another one?
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2011, 04:08:08 PM »

I'm hoarding them! Mwahaha!

Nah, just kidding, a friend wants to get their own copy.  Grin
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